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The built in “app stores” that come on Linux distros are also complete jokes, the ones I’ve tried to use anyways.
Not a fan of KDE Discover. Bazaar looks promising.
Snap store can get the hell outta here.
Discover is ok… If you limit it to only managing Flatpaks.
I’m not sure I’d ever trust a GUI to manage pacman/apt/dnf
I’m gonna be honest, 99% of what I need to do, I do through Discover. Like, why would I bother typing a command out when the update button is right there.
CachyOS now doesn’t even ship with Discover and if you install it there’s a banner warning you not to use it to update base packages as it can mess stuff up.
CachyOS now ships with and recommends Shelly, and just from trying to use it I get the feeling it’s fundamentally flawed (both in the front-end and back-end), but I don’t know enough about package management to know for certain.
I was wondering about Shelly when I was reading the release notes for Cachy. What do you feel is flawed?
If you’re in the CachyOS Discord and have a lot of patience, this is where I dumped all of my complaints and feedback on the day that I really tried to use it: https://discord.com/channels/862292009423470592/1500254688380063934
Keep in mind I was pretty new to Cachy/Arch and coming from Linux Mint, make of that what you will.
More specifically, this is what raised the alarm for me: https://discord.com/channels/862292009423470592/1500254688380063934/1500507281840668852 and following messages.
Basically, I tried to install
openrgb-next-gitfrom AUR using Shelly. The operation failed but was reported as successful. And the Shelly dev I was chatting with didn’t really seem to acknowledge the severity of the issue. After many more attempts, I eventually gave up on Shelly installed the package using paru. I don’t remember if there was any problem during that installation, but it did get installed in the end, which is more than I can say for Shelly.This exchange was 2 months ago, so it’s possible that things have improved since then, but that’s not enough time for me to give Shelly another chance yet.
What I’m about to say is pure speculation, and I have no concrete evidence, just my gut: I think Shelly, or at least its GUI, is vibe-coded. Too many things about it are half-baked but with the appearance of polish. Windows and dialogs that look pretty but are too small for their contents. No way a human developer would push that if it was tested even once.
A Shelly developer explained to me that it’s not a wrapper for pacman or any other tool, instead they re-implement the functionality provided by pacman using a lower-level library. To this I say: Shelly has not earned my trust in their code to manage packages on my main PC. When it’s more mature, when it has more eyes on it, and when it doesn’t give me the half-baked vibe, I’ll happily give it another chance.
Synaptic is decent, but it doesn’t exactly feel like an “App Store”.
updates, sure. let discover or gnome software do 'em.
my debian won’t break the system.
to install, though? i’d rather see exactly what’s going on. i don’t always want to bring in every tom, dick and recommend. i use aptitude.
My discover casually uses 1gb of ram when i open it and after closing it stays at 500mb until i sigterm it
I think Flatpaks are the future for general user installed apps. It’s way more secure and user friendly for non tech people. I’ve even had some flatpaks run significantly better, like Brave, despite conventional wisdom saying otherwise for a browser.
this sane comment seems so hard for many Linix users to understand. I use LMDE, i want to click the icon on my toolbar and have zero interest in the OS itself
The most obvious bait to be was 1 hour install time. Windows 11 took 2 hours to install, CachyOS took like 5 minutes. I imagine Arch is similar, there is simply no way. Lol
The biggest fucking lie
Updating. Do not turn of computer.
100% complete
Also: “Update and shut down”
Did none of the commenters read the sixth point?
That’s why negative news sells so well.
You just have to have a good rage bait title and can write literally anything under it and the discussion will be about fantasies manifested in peoples heads based on the title.
" Here sweetie. Play with this nice green round toy and don’t worry anymore. "
They had us in the first 83%.
I feel like he’s gonna get banned for posting this on that subreddit lmao
He 100% going to be banned, I was banned with doing nothing wrong there. The mods there are bit crazy
Man that subreddit is a trip. Really funny to actively hate FOSS on ideological grounds because you just love corporations and markets so much.
There’s one here on Lemmy too. I got banned this morning for sharing this post lol.
Here’s a post from it defending Telemetry of all things.
Man that madthumbs guy is really trying to make that a thing and it’s kind of sad and lonely that he’s off by himself pretending he has a community…
The posts sound like chatgpt
Please please please don’t brigade/harass that community!
I love it! It’s like watching flat earthers. I NEED this popcorn.
I’m not quite sure it’s a “community” as such - it looks like just one guy having a bit of a nervous breakdown on his own.
Yeah I was just about to edit my comment to mention that. Like bro why are you here it’s built on the same ethos you hate in linux.
Then why do people pretend that being ‘downvoted to hell’ means anything here? Why would they point and say ‘echo chamber’ hypocritically?
The truth is that Reddit is shady AF with their shadow bans, control of information, inconsistent rule following, etc. I’m actually trying to get more users here.
I tried on Gab. -What happens when I correct someone on Gab about Linux? -They upvote and thank me for it! A community there for “Linux sucks” served no purpose.
edit: I’m also against religion (worse cult) and didn’t want to support the owner’s evangelism. -But the site is ran pretty decent, and it’s not bad when curated (another shady thing about Reddit is the limitation on blocking users).
I’ve seen a few of your posts on Linuxsucks@lemmy.world. I can appreciate a minority view and you don’t strike me as hostile with other users, but many of the points you made frankly make little sense to me. Some even stike me as deranged or at least misinformed. I hope you are doing this out of passion or get some other form of genuine joy out of it. I’d hate for Linux to make
youanyone feel miserable.
You got banned for breaking the rules. Integrity isn’t common among evangelists.
There he is! Evangelism, sure. Idk man you got some weird shit going on, but you do you. 👍
If you point out any where I’m wrong, I will correct it. So far, none of the LiGNUxers are. AFAICS they work for Microsoft. It’s like when I was into conspiracy theories and wondered why Alex Jones wasn’t easily recognized for the controlled opposition, he is.
Oh my god not the rules!
Imagine correcting me on anything. Everyone criticizing the community has the opportunity and NEVER does. Maybe because I’m right and not deceiving people and turning them into hardened Microsoft fans.
Everyone criticizing the community has the opportunity
That’s a lie. The community and every post on it was locked for several months.
If you continue wasting your opportunity here, I’ll just block you here too. I’m not into wasting time.
I’ll just block you here too.
Oh no, don’t threaten him with a good time.
“love corporations”
How about I despise communism and how it only works when workers are forced to work at gunpoint. Or, I haven’t seen any legit gripes against Microsoft.
Politically, I’m centrist, because both pure extremes fail. -China isn’t 100% communist.
Linux takes the position of ‘competition’ for Windows while being an eternal loser. They squash other great projects by taking their ideas and making them work with then objectively shitty (for desktop) kernel.
Linux is a ‘best case scenario’ for Windows. (Yeah, you’re actually helping Microsoft by being an evangelist).
I’m sceptical this is genuine… it sounds like cope to me, but it’s interesting… Anyway, I appreciate my experience isn’t universal. So what Linux alternatives do you mean, like BSD and stuff?
I try to keep an open mind about people preferring the Microsoft stack, but from the first time I used a terminal on Linux I was sold. I could never go back.
I still do support for people who use Windows PCs, so I’ve got to see how it’s changed over the years. Personally I don’t know how anyone puts up with it.
It seems like Windows keeps getting worse as Linux keeps getting better… like… do you enjoy using Windows 11? Does it feel good to you?
11 is fine. I don’t miss XP, 7,or 10 at all. 11 is an upgrade.
Now it’s pretty obvious that you’re either a true madman or trolling so hard you forgot you’re doing it in the first place.
Win 11 is objectively so much worse than literally any alternative, and I’m saying that while running it myself for …reasons.
Skill issue
Communism literally never had a chance to evolve as a system because USA systematically fucked it over and fought it at every step, in the process committing horrific crimes against humanity along the way. Would you like some historical examples of what capitalism has done to humanity and democracy worldwide for centuries or are you just more of a “see the thing with communism is… It just doesn’t work!” kind of guy?
Please read what I wrote again. I’m not about arguing with someone who glazes.
The performance comments were a dead giveaway.
Nobody’s complaints with setting Linux up are that it runs slowly.
It may not run much of anything until you sort out your drivers properly, but it will do everything incorrectly LIGHTNING fast, compared to Windows.
I thought Debian was as sluggish as Windows until I was forced to use the LXQt desktop environment instead of the default GNOME on an old Compaq laptop since that’s all it could handle. Turns out, GNOME looks nice but it kept my old laptop’s mid-2000s i386 CPU churning at 50% 24/7. LXQt? Barely a blip. Sure, it couldn’t run Firefox quickly, but at least its fan was silent when idling or when I was simply using the laptop as a dumb SSH client into a much more powerful remote server.
I now use LXQt on my main workstation because I don’t need fancy tilíng windows or Wayland.
I now use LXQt on my main workstation because I don’t need fancy tilíng windows or Wayland.
You can have fancy tiling windows and Wayland without Gnome! Wayland is actually pretty great for low-resource devices, I recently did a glmark benchmark on a Raspberry Pi 3B, and on the Wayland session (with the wayland version of glmark) I got about double the score of the Xorg session (with the xorg versioni of glmark). It’s just that Raspberry Pi OS’s Wayland session doesn’t use Gnome, but LabWC.
And I always configure my LXQt desktop with a tiling wm, works great and looks great IMO. Plus, the LXQt devs are working on making it fully Wayland-compatible.
Not true. They complain because of no hardware decoding, defaults lacking GPU acceleration, they complain about KDEs file manager, Gimp, Libre Office, etc. If you had problems with Windows, maybe consider ‘skill issue’.
#2 gave it away because you’d have to royally screw something up in Arch to get KDE to lag like that lol.
It might be minimalist but it’s not unperformant out of box.
I know this is satire but Arch is like the worst distro for a newbie…
Depends what kind of newbie. To the right kind of nerd a well-organized technical installer is not a deterrent, on the contrary.
I don’t think people realise that most Linux distros had arcane install processes not unlike Arch until around 2000, when a few of them started introducing simplified graphical installers (Corel, Caldera and Red Hat’s Anaconda I think were most popular). Debian for instance only switched to graphical in 2006 with Etch beta 3 (although tbf they did have a text-mode UI before that).
Not for a newbie who wants to learn. Arch is actually not difficult at all, just time consuming. If you do a manual install, you have to read about every step and make choices.
Thats how you learn your system. After install, you know exactly what files you modified and where they are if you want to make further changes.
I think it’s a beautiful system. Its not for people who just want a windows replacement though. It’s for people who wants to know their system.
People don’t realize the power that comes from actually knowing how your system works. It’s the same as learning any skill. It gives a feeling of confidence and comfort.
It depends.
in-VM test drive? By all means, yes. Have fun
as main OS? Detecting multiple leviathan class lifeforms in the region. Are you certain whatever you’re doing is worth it?
Yes it’s worth it many times over. I learned Linux on arch like 15 years ago. :) Its been paying off enormously during my career and private hobby life. Last windows I ran at home was windows 7.
Glad to know. Still, it’s not something I’d recommend to someone who hasn’t tried Linux before.
No I agree, unless they are interested in learning.
I’m sitting here reading these comments as the low-end Dell laptop I just picked up for software testing is booting up and updating Windows. For logistic reasons, had to pick one up today, so had the pleasure of dealing with Best Buy sales staff 🙄
From powering it up, it’s been 1.5 hours with updates and multiple restarts. Half of it was spent showing a progress indicator with a carousel slideshow of all the great AI tools I have no interest in using. Then it insisted on signing in with a Microsoft cloud account.
It’s been eons since I actually ran a fresh copy of Windows. Amazed people still put up with all this nonsense.
Seriously, dealing with Windows OOBE is like walking through a used car lot.
“Decline offer” “Decline offer” “Not right now” <hey, we need to update! See you in 30 minutes!> “Remind me in three days” “Turn off cloud backup” “Yes, I’m really sure” “Decline offer” “Share minimum telemetry” (oh, you thought you could turn that off? Lol. Lmao, even)
I don’t know how anyone finds that mess easier than linux.
Haven’t used Windows in a hot minute, do you actually have to install WLAN drivers manually there?
When I tried to install Windows 10 2 years ago on my mini PC it tried to install wifi drivers but failed. Wifi only worked after manually downloading and installing the driver. Various Linux distros were plug and play and wifi worked out of the box.
‘works on my machine’ -one of the most ignorant arguments.
The same model Motherboards can have different sound, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth chips.
You’re trusting unsigned, reverse engineered, and amateur developed drivers in ring 0 which can possibly damage your hardware and firmware.
It’s not something to casually recommend people do.
OP’s joke sadly isn’t completely wrong. Some of these are actual pain points on Linux:
Theming is a mess on Linux the moment you mix QT and GTK (and that is pretty common as not everything exists for each toolkit).
File explorers are notoriously shit compared to the Windows Explorer which works well and intuitively for most users (including me). I use PCManFM-Qt now. But I tried a lot before finding this rough gem. And it still does crash once per quarter and often switches to the root folder collapsing the tree when sub folder content changes.
The freedom of choice is indeed bought with the burden of choice on Linux. There are usually multiple choices when searching for a new application. Usually most of them are crap. Some are barely usable. And one or two are actually somewhat production ready. When you’re new to the ecosystem, it’s impossible to know what to look for. Inexperienced users better describe their use case to AI and have it generate a nice overview of options with pros and cons because traditional web search is pretty dead by now.
I play on Gentoo btw.
Going Arch for a first distro. Must have gotten advice from a Redditor lol
