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  • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.detopics@lemmy.world•This Pic I took in text of this book.
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    2 months ago

    Thanks, I guess I should have explained it a bit more early in my original comment.

    But I sometimes forget that the the more detailed knowledge about the Nazi rise to power and the Holocaust is naturally not as common outside of Germany (where it is e.g. an extensive part of school curriculums).

    Partially inaccurate truths might as well be lies

    I would even say they are often worse than lies, as spiked with some surrounding facts, the lies at the core can hide themselves. They then appear plausible, and if done right even more convincing (or at least, alluring) than the hard and inconvenient truth.

  • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.detopics@lemmy.world•This Pic I took in text of this book.
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    2 months ago

    but it’s also true

    Nope.

    Konzentrationslager (concentration camps) have been a tool for the Germans under that exact name since colonial times.
    Segregation of the Jews into Ghettos (and frequent blaming them for stuff and even killing them in local pogroms) has been common practice since at least the Middle ages in Germany, centuries before the US even existed.

    A tale like “we only got the idea because we were inspired by the Americans” is not only wrong, but also dangerous, as it plays right into the hands of the far right, which is currently actively trying to downplay the Holocaust and the responsibility of the German people during the Third Reich.

  • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.detopics@lemmy.world•This Pic I took in text of this book.
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    2 months ago

    It also entails some of it, but it was not “the inspiration for the creation of concentration camps”.

    That sentence is the wrong one which is the point I was getting at.

    The Holocaust as the Nazis did it wasn’t just some established and common concept copied from somewhere else, but to 99% the work of the German people themselves.

    There is no easy exit for the history-revisionist from the far right.

  • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.detopics@lemmy.world•This Pic I took in text of this book.
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    2 months ago

    I don’t know why you have been getting downvoted, as that part seems to at least have a core of truth, as I just checked.
    While not the inspiration for the pogroms themselves, the US segregation laws seem to have been at least reviewed while drafting the texts of the Nürnberger Gesetze, which would become the legal framework for persecution of Jews and other persons based on race in the Third Reich.

  • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.detopics@lemmy.world•This Pic I took in text of this book.
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    2 months ago

    But that’s not about the concentration camps dustyData was talking about, but about the “Lebensraum” doctrin to conquer the eastern European areas.

    Completely different thing.

    Concentration camps have been around in Europe already decades before the Nazis came to power, take the Russian Gulags for example.
    Even the name the Nazis used is not new, the first camps called “Konzentrationslager” (the German name for concentration camp) were situated in the German colonies in Africa during the Herero massacres already in 1904, while the segregation into ghettos in Germany and much of the rest of Middle Europe, especially regarding the Jews, goes back to the Middle ages.

    What dustyData proclaimed is just plain wrong and one of the fake ideas that might in some form be used to relativise, downplay or pass of guilt. Just the kind of buzz that current day fascists like the AfD in Germany are happily spreading.