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  • AlteredEgo@lemmy.mltolinuxmemes@lemmy.world•Of course
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    4 days ago

    supporting

    No

    EDIT: Just to clarify, this is a strawman. Anyone who ever uses AI is maligned and attacked and dehumanized for “supporting” evil AI companies. What I do support is Chinese open source / weight models that run on clean nuclear power. Because that is where most businesses get their tokens from today already, and it’s only going to rise.

    There is a willingness to betray your fellow man and every truth and every principle of a pluralistic society just to support “your tribe” here. The fuckai tribe. They preach hate against normal people. And ultimately they are no different from MAGA or climate deniers or antivaxx because they don’t just peddle in lies they insist on them and nothing you can tell them will change their minds. Close minded people preaching hate and stupidity based on some arbitrary dogma. More and more divisions and hate mongering are being invented every year. That is how the rich and powerful control society now.


  • AlteredEgo@lemmy.mltolinuxmemes@lemmy.world•Of course
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    and before you know it, you confuse some loud people disliking your edgy opinions with you and your “facts” being oppressed

    I agree with your other points but you’re definitely wrong on this. Facts are definitely oppressed today. Objective, verifiable historical facts are “not allowed” to be mentioned, and it has cost people their job.

    And I do believe that is something that we’ve been trained to do now. Mention you just used AI with the wrong people and you’re out. A moral absolutism based on disinformation and refutable arguments. The “MAGAtization” of the left if you will. Or in case of AI it creates a deep moralistic divide with tech nerds.

    It could either be accidental (engagement is good for profit) or part of a strategy (divide and conquer). But as a society we’ve lost the ability to even talk about certain very important things without walking on eggshells.

    And yeah most of this is speculation.


  • I mean even if it did train on the proprietary code it can’t memorize it. It has to “learn what code like this looks like”. It has to figure out what the function is. That can I think only be called verbal intelligence. The ability to understand what is meant behind words. Not very good yet but having to pretend it’s not there is just denialism. Denialism exactly like climate change denial. And of course some AI fans do have AI psychosis, different side of the same coin.

    The whole dancing around LLMs clearly being able to reason (which can be shown in scientific experiments) and therefor clearly having some sort intelligence is so stupid. Because meanwhile 90% of lemmy users are too brainwashed to accept basic reality any more.

    Because you know, this isn’t just funny. There are real danger as the technology progresses. But it’s politically incorrect and gets you massive downvotes in the wrong community if you talk about those dangers. You can’t talk about facts any more.

    It’s not just about the historical facts about e.g. the coup in Ukraine that you can’t talk objectively about any more. Facts in general become anathema. Only the feeling of correctness and manufacturing social consent matters. Collectively we are becoming more and more stupid animals. We are trained to become less sentient or sapient. Less able to perceive and react to reality and more and more act on trained and instinctual impulses. But I see little difference between the MAGA fascists and like 90% of lemmy users now. And if you don’t want to offend (or get fired) you have to mask and that seemed funny in your post.

    Anyway, sorry just rambling lol


  • There are studies and tools like LiCoEval and others that investigate LLM memorization. It does happen but it’s not all the time, and it’s very infrequent for real world (complex) examples. Mostly this concerns textbook examples or standard boilerplate code - from what I read. And I obviously don’t know the specific example mentioned. This is also a problem that can be fixed.

    But I’m really just half mocking the very careful language used by the comment I replied to.


  • Oh it learned enough from code that it has developed some basic, and hear me out of this, artificial verbal intelligence. I know I know, not just pattern matching, but actual artificial intelligence at a low level.

    Please don’t downvote me (sorry don’t remember if this is fuckai or not) but I’m just saying it’s one possible explanation to this phenomenon you describe.





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    The IP law is purely a function of economic power, so we know how that will go. To the maximum benefit of the plutocrats that rule our global civilization.

    But the more interesting part is the philosophical discovery: If a piece of code can be generated from scratch by a machine that is not creative, then any comparable piece of code is also not creative. In other words, only the very first time a new type of code or algorithm is written can there be creativity - if one follows your argument that LLM machines cannot be creative. This essentially raises the bar for copyright, and makes an objective test of what is copyrightable or not possible. If you can describe something in a prompt, and get a result of comparable function and quality to a human written version, that code is not creative either, therefor not copyrightable.

    Obviously we’re not quite there yet, but the more LLMs improve, the less code becomes copyrightable.

    Coding becomes pure craftsmanship, like cutting and sanding some lumber and nailing it together to build a shed.

    So if we were a rational and logical species, the overwhelming amount of copyright would be deleted and become public domain. Because it is now worth only the cheap solar power needed to generate it.


  • AlteredEgo@lemmy.mltoSelfhosted@lemmy.world•Deleted
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    You can also set a LLMs to completely rewriting code snippets from scratch to perform the same function, writing and fulfilling the same unit tests. Not just rewrite in a different language or changing variable names. Basically the transformative abilities of LLMs can make copyright obsolete.


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    Not true, this does not occur frequently. This study and software LiCoEval from 2024 found 0.88% to 2.01% of code “strikingly similar to existing open-source implementations”. Afaik this is mostly textbook examples, snippets from stack overflow snippets or common github repositories, often replicated api examples and language boilerplate. How you prompt and refine also matters, and for generating novel code or business logic the LLM simply cannot use memorized snippets.

    Presumably since then LLMs have worked to reduce that number of memorized code. Since LLMs cannot memorize all their training data, that number is limited. LiCoEval can find the often memorized examples and train to remove them, or suppress them, or they find other ways to reduce direct reproduction from memorization. For example it would be possible to do what malus.sh does with all the training data. Then it cannot memorize copyrighted code.

    So for a model that came out 2026 this already small number might not be that relevant anymore.



  • This is a ridiculous comment from someone who prints too many Magic the Gathering characters.

    Do you mean your own ridiculous comment? And what do you mean printing Magic the gathering characters, do you mean color printing the little card pictures in large? Or do you confuse this with 3D printing characters for tabletop strategy games like Warhammer 40k? I’m just going to assume you’re some kind of confused space ork.

    This technology has been typical tech bullshit from day one. Wood framed houses are cheaper, stronger, and can be repaired or changed in the future.

    Sure, robots are totally bullshit. They never have had any drastic effect how we live and work and if they did, it would surely stop at this specific point and go no further!

    Have a robot dig foundations? You mean like this?

    Yes, exactly like that! The advances I spoke of make it possible to control even hydraulic robot arms using software and computer vision. It’s all very technical though.

    And they already can switch end effectors and are mobile and can drive around!!! You could in fact build a 3D house printing robot exactly like that and it would take very little setup time. Or have a small group of them work together, day and night digging, printing and building homes.


  • The video isn’t really about 3D printing houses, it’s mostly about corruption, scams, grifters, con artists, burocracy and idiots. It uses a very ominous tone that is very emotionally appealing and click-baity. What it has to say about actual 3D printing houses is very little:

    One house had cracks, concrete is hard. 3D printing with clay takes a week to dry, that is soooo long. Concrete produces so much CO2!!! Where are the regulations!? But they also invented carbon neutral concrete and are experimenting with new binders and aggregates. They 3D printed a 2 story house in earthquakey japan, but OH MY GOD it’s inspired by a cave! I CAVE!!! Who wants to live in a CAVE?!?!?

    A video like this is using the same type of emotional manipulation to feed the algorithm and engagement like the grifters in their example do. It’s disgusting to me.


    3D printing houses has huge potential, it’s just in it’s infancy, and maybe not well suited to develop in the capitalist housing market. There are breakthroughs to control less precise robotics, self driving and SLAM that will allow this to be even cheaper and more flexible. Building materials to develop and software and tools to develop. Just look at plastic 3D printers and how they were held back for years by patents and capitalist interests.

    The potential is there to not just 3D print rough structures, but intricately painted and sculpted beautiful structures… out of literal dirt on site. With new binders we could make use of local materials instead of transporting sand across the world. And not just one house, but a whole village for e.g. the millions of refugees from natural catastrophes we can expect over the next century.

    There is an obvious potential for further automization, like have a robot dig holes and 3D print foundations, save on transportation costs, use new materials, circumvent long and exploitative industrial supply chains for building materials, print foam insulation. Have different “robot end effectors” to insert wiring and piping while printing, or place structural elements for roofing. Even a hybrid approach between 3D printing and brick laying could be useful. Scan a quarry of a million natural stones and puzzle them together.

    Don’t just 3D print the framing, but finish and paint the walls too. And 3D print the kitchen and cabinet furniture and bathroom including shower and bathtub too. 3D printing the walls is just the beginning of the potential. And tearing down and systematically sorting and recycling all individual parts of a house at the other end of the lifecycle.

    We should fund a whole university focused on this technological area as a mega project to solve housing once and for all through maximum automation. Making housing free and a universal right for everyone should be the goal.




  • Well they will probably be massively over capacity. But then you could run the for half a day during sunlight hours and just use solar. Solar PM and wind kite power basically gives us near infinite super cheap energy at certain times, so you could still make use of those compute centers. Turn them off during the night, modernize the cooling and noise dampening, add some solar and you can use the compute to run models to create new medicines like anti-cancer meds or protein folding. Unlikely that’s going to happen but that is what a sane civilization would do with all that compute.


  • “internet indexer” should really be a government / EU / UN sponsored public utility thing. And then you have front ends that can improve the search query and filter and sort the results.

    I don’t know how much it would cost / how large a data center it would take to cache the web pages like google does. But there is just no reason to have so much wealth / advertising drain from the public for such a fundamental thing.